You can read the French translation of this piece here.
A longer version of this essay is available here.
As the pandemic rolled into its second year, I became concerned that the psychosocial fallout of the pandemic, and especially the response at the global and local levels, could represent an existential threat to permaculture and kindred movements. At one level, this threat is the same as that to families, workplaces, networks and organisations more generally, where a sense of urgency to implement the official response, especially lockdowns and mass vaccination, is producing a huge gulf between an ever more certain majority and a smaller minority questioning or challenging the official response.
My aim in this essay is to focus on the critical importance of using all our physical, emotional and intellectual resources towards maintaining connections across what could be a widening gulf of frustration and distrust within our movement, reflecting society at large. I want to explore how permaculture ethics and design principles can help us empathetically bridge that gulf without needing to censor our truth or simply avoid the issues.
While the pandemic and the responses to it will pass in time, I believe the future will be characterised by similar issues that test our ability to tolerate uncertainty and diversity and to thus exercise solidarity within kin, collegiate and network communities of practise.

Future Scenarios and the Brown Tech future
The positive grounded thinking that characterises permaculture has always been informed by a dark view of the state of the world and long-term emerging threats. Future Scenarios is my 2008 exploration of four near-future ‘energy descent’ scenarios driven by the variable rates of oil and resource depletion on the one hand and rate of onset of serious climate change on the other. Six years later, I wrote the essay ‘Crash on Demand: Welcome to the Brown Tech Future’ where I ‘called’ Brown Tech as being the already emergent scenario.
In the longer version of this ‘Pandemic brooding’ essay, I review and reinterpret this work in light of the pandemic and responses to it.
Permaculture pluralism
Anyone involved in permaculture knows that permies can come to quite different conclusions about what is the most ethical and practical solution to the same problem. For example faced with marauding wildlife, some will go to considerable expense (and resource consumption) building elaborate fences, anti-aviaries and other deterrents to separate wildlife from food. Others will treat the wildlife as another abundance of the system to be harvested. Various permaculture principles, as well as the fundamental ethic of Care of Earth, might be invoked to support both approaches.
Likewise, many permies believe taxation is essential to redistribute resources from places of abundance to those of scarcity and as an expression of solidarity essential to any functioning, let alone ethical, society. Others see almost all the expenditure by governments of tax revenues as representing rape of Mother Earth’s abundance and theft from Indigenous peoples, and further as either downright evil or at best a bandaid covering festering wounds. An ethical response is to minimise taxpaying (by reducing income and consumption). Again, design principles and ethics can be invoked to support either position.
From my perspective, grappling with the ethical and systemic issue is more important than the notion that there might be a correct answer, and therefore a wrong answer, to the challenge. In the past, there have been heated debates, and agreements to disagree, but rarely would participants in permaculture design courses, convergences or networks see the answers of others as reasons to reject permaculture. Many celebrate personal actions as small-scale experiments with their good, bad and interesting outcomes informing other experiments, especially the next generation’s, as we muddle through energy descent to hopefully more benign, or at least less-bad, futures.
Pandemic flavoured Brown Tech
I believe the pandemic and the responses to it represent a major turning point in crystalising the Brown Tech future. It ticks so many boxes:
- a nature-driven crisis which has been long predicted, and to some extent, planned for
- rolling uncertainty that progressively breaks down past expectations
- a crisis which, like a war, requires the suspension of normal economic activity, personal rights and governance processes
- a demand for strong action by government for the common good informed by science
- a revival of Keynesian policies including a massive increase in government debt
- an enemy (the virus) that can be easily demonised without there being too many defenders to ignore or silence
- strong censorship of broadcast media and novel efforts to censor social media to sideline debate that could undermine the rapidly emergent and evolving program.
If the crisis is not solved, then demonisation progressively shifts to those resisting the plan.
This situation is creating the fork in the road where some permies will find themselves (perhaps surprisingly) following the program, while others will have become certain that they will at least quietly resist complying to some degree or other, right up to a radicalised public resistance, whether that be through resigning from work, street protest or satirical art.
We can learn and gain, individually and collectively, from these increasingly divergent paths – but the learnings could be painful. Let’s consider the benefits that might have led permies down one or another path, perhaps unwittingly, to increasingly polarised positions.
The mainstream plan
Although there are differences of emphasis and policies around the government responses to the pandemic, these debates are around the margins, even if they are at times heated. Most fundamentally, the mainstream plan, informed by the scientific and medical establishment, takes the following as self-evident:
- The virus is an existential threat to society that must be contained and disarmed if not eliminated before an establishment of some hoped-for, tolerable new normal.
- Social distancing, disinfectant cleaning, testing, contact tracing, masks and various levels of quarantine, border controls and lockdowns are the only mechanisms available to prevent collapse of the health system and deaths escalating to horrific levels in the short term.
- Novel vaccine technology is the only real hope for a tolerable new normal.
- To achieve effective herd immunity and minimise death, some great majority of the adult population and probably children need to get vaccinated as soon as possible.
- The adverse effects of these provisionally approved vaccines are minor and/or rare and much less than the risk of the disease.
- Preventative and early treatments are at best of marginal value, or more likely based on false hope and fraud.
- The suspension of normal civil liberties is a necessary, albeit temporary, measure to achieve the plan in a timely fashion and reduce the suffering both from the virus and the plan itself.
- People who actively resist the plan need stronger social, economic and, where necessary, legal sanctions to ensure their actions don’t prevent the plan from working for the common good.
- Apart from debate around the margins about how best to respond to these givens, debate and questioning at the level of science, logistics, economics, law, politics, media and social media is not just unnecessary, but an existential threat to the plan and society at large, so must be prevented by unprecedented means.
- It is the responsibility of every citizen to play a part in the plan, be bold in convincing those who are hesitant, and challenging those not following the plan, especially those actively resisting it.
Permies following the plan are likely to see themselves as being part of a society-wide collective effort to minimise pain and suffering in the aged, the disadvantaged and those in poor health; a choice in favour of collective and longer-term gain at the cost of individual and short-term sacrifice. For many of us, this is a perfect metaphor for what is needed to address the climate emergency. By accepting what appears to be a broad consensus of global, national and local medical and scientific experts, we avoid the protracted debate and lack of a technical consensus that has stymied governments in initiating strong action to address the climate emergency.
For permies in despair about the waste and dysfunction of the consumer economy, the closure, albeit temporary, of many discretionary services and businesses is a taste for how we might need to decide what is important; maximum consumer choice for the affluent versus the provision of basic needs for all. The personal sacrifice and adaptation to difficulties, including stay-at-home lockdown, have been opportunities to focus more on the important things in life and get a taste of what social solidarity feels like.
Reports of contrarian views seem to mostly come from sources contaminated by association with climate denial and other views we categorically reject. The resisters’ outrage looks to many like just more selfish, science denying and ignorant right-wing rednecks, trying to prevent collective wisdom and social solidarity from working. Familiar powerful bad players in global corporations or nation states have been replaced by much more immediate angry undesirables, who without much power or vision, could wreck the hard work of the collective to create a workable new normal.
The dissident view
It is more difficult to generalise about those who question or reject the program. A great diversity of views, explanations, feelings and actions flourish in an environment of unprecedented censorship. While there is great sensitivity about the term ‘censorship’, let alone ‘propaganda’ by those supporting the plan, for those on the other side, it is astonishing how rapidly the axe has fallen on enquiry, and debate, in the mainstream media, social media, workplaces and families, let alone in defence of what – until very recently – most of us took as our inalienable rights.
For many permies, the pandemic seems another example of hyped threat like the ‘war on weeds’, ‘war on drugs’, ‘war on terror’ used to manipulate the population to comply with some version of disaster capitalist1Disaster capitalism feeds off natural (climate change) and other disasters to provide recovery and reconstruction services funded by the public that typically benefit the corporate providers and contribute to ongoing dependencies. The term was used by Naomi Klein to describe the evolution of late stage capitalism over recent decades. solutions. Most sceptics acknowledge the virus as real, but not as dangerous as the cure in lockdowns and other draconian measures. The ‘war on the virus’ seems just as futile or misguided as all the other wars on nature, substances and concepts. So much for trying to have nuanced discussions about viruses as an essential and largely symbiotic mechanism for the exchange of genetic material and mediation of evolution!
While the closure and loss of cafés, gyms and hairdressers might not be a great loss, except to those directly affected, many of us have noticed that the official response to the pandemic tends to follow a pattern of support and strengthening of dominant corporations while leading to the weakening and likely collapse of small business and community self-organised activities.
During the first lockdown, ‘stay at home in your household’ was celebrated as a great plus for people getting the RetroSuburbia message. More recently, the messaging about the problem of shared and multi-generation households being suspect has been building, especially in the working-class western suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne where many of essential and less well paid workers live. We have shifted from a joke about ‘which permie created the pandemic?’ to a gritted teeth recognition that the response to the pandemic is working to vacuum people into another level of dependence on techno-industrial systems.
Many permies have taken advantage of the shift online to network more effectively around the country and the world, but we are deeply troubled by our increasing dependence on mediated experiences and what seems like draconian regulation of informal engagement with people and nature. The concerns for what this is doing to children are far more serious than the loss of the regulated version of social interaction that children get at school.
For many of us, it is completely natural to be sceptical about one big fast answer provided by the giants of the pharma industry, while they have been granted legal immunity for the consequences of their novel products. Many have made the rational assessment that the very low risks of the virus (for most of us at least) seem better than the unknown of a novel technology approved and pushed on a frustrated and frightened population in record time. Some in this camp were sceptical about vaccines in general but most have been influenced by the largely censored views from some leading global experts, that these vaccines are in a totally different risk category to all previous vaccines.
While waiting and seeing what happens next may look selfish to the majority, the difficulty in getting access to data and unbiased interpretation drives many to rely on their gut feelings. One or more examples of spin and manipulation of data by officials, and especially the media, leads to a general collapse in trust about any, and even all, aspects of the official story. For instance:
- Many of us have seen evidence that existing low cost and low risk treatments are available and used effectively in some countries resisting the ‘no available treatment’ orthodoxy.
- Most understand that while the vaccines seemed to give some protection from more severe effects at least in the early stages, they do not appear to stop transmission, at least of the latest variant.
- Many wonder why the build-up of natural immunity from prior exposure to the virus is not considered as part of the solution that should at least be discussed before vaccine passports are implemented.
Concerns about more serious adverse effects of the vaccines, as predicted by some experts, have developed into alarm, anger and resistance as both the evidence increases and efforts at cover up and spin become worse. Extreme consequences that many of us dismissed early on as highly unlikely are now showing up in hard-to-read scientific papers, clinical reports and official records and databases.
A similar process has happened with the official responses. For example vaccine passports are now widely discussed and debated as part of the attempt to get as many people vaccinated as possible, as the efficacy of vaccines falls and concerns about adverse effects lock in resistance by a minority. At the start of the pandemic this possibility was decried as paranoid conspiracy theory.
France has been leading the charge to impose vaccine passports for many public and work spaces including hospitals. It’s hard to assess how large the resistance will be in different countries and circumstances but there are already signs that whole industries will lose a significant part of their workforce as some substantial minority of the population withdraw their work, consumption and investment in the system rather than getting the vaccine. Whether by design, policy stupidity or the unexplained viral power of censored scientists and vaccine doubters to overcome the largest public health education/public relations/propaganda effort in history, it is conceivable that the result could be economic contraction on a much larger scale than has occurred as a result of lockdowns so far.2 I can’t help but see what is unfolding as a bizarre version of my ‘Crash on Demand’ scenario
Economic contraction could mostly be in the discretionary economy, but how would the health system cope with a loss of staff, especially if some combination of ineffective vaccines against new strains and antibody-enhanced disease lead to medically informed people losing faith before the general public? Part of the solution might be doctors and nurses from overseas,3In the week since I wrote this sentence, doctors from overseas are now part of the plan for Australia or the adoption of treatment options for Covid currently being used with success in countries like Mexico and India.
Australia and New Zealand seem to be something of a test bed for the most authoritarian regulations in an attempt to keep Covid as close to zero as possible (and failing). Large numbers of people in other countries see us as a police state and wonder why there hasn’t been more resistance Down Under.
Some of us have noted plans promoted by the World Economic Forum for a Global Reset that will require a command economy to respond to the climate emergency, and that the pandemic is an opportunity to implement some of the structures and processes needed to create what some fear is a global new world order.
For many people, the trajectory from trust to mistrust often leads to either deep depression or an energised anger, mostly focused on the authorities but often expressed to friends and family at great cost to all concerned.
Although I have some of those thoughts and feelings, I mostly feel a great tension between a deep and somewhat detached fascination with the big picture and the sense of urgency I habitually feel in spring to get fully cranking with the seasonal garden and generally keeping our home at Melliodora shipshape. I feel like I finally have a box seat to watch the train of techno-industrial civilization hitting the Limits to Growth stone wall and breaking apart, all in slow motion.
The rapidly evolving situation and all its psychological, sociological and economic dimensions suggest an expanding field of possibilities. These could include:
- a cyber pandemic that crashes the global financial system,
- a short war between China and the USA4Part of my ‘A History from the Future’ story happening in 2022
- rapid reduction in consumption of oil and other critical resources and consequently greenhouse gas emissions as a result of the virus,
- plus of course accelerating climate disasters.
In different scenarios, concern about the virus and the ability to implement the plan could become ever more intense, or alternatively, be shunted offstage or metastasised into dealing with the next crisis. Consequently, the details of what worked, what didn’t, who takes the credit and who gets the blame, would probably all be lost in the swirling muddy waters of compounding crises.
A personal view of the pandemic
Up until this point, I have not indicated my personal interpretation of either the virus or the response because I wanted to focus on the bigger systemic drivers without getting muddied in the good/bad, right/wrong, us/them polarities. However we all have to face what life throws in our path with whatever internal and collective resources we have at hand. As is my lifelong habit, I have done my own ‘due diligence’ to understand and guide my personal decisions. In the past I have always been open about my conclusions and decisions, whether around the campfire or on the most public of forums. I have often joked about the comfort I feel in being a dissident about most things including being beaten up at primary school in the early days of the Vietnam war for being a ‘commie traitor’ to being ostracised in the 1990s for opposing the ‘war on weeds’ orthodoxy of the environmental mainstream. But today being a dissident is no joking matter. Unfortunately the psychosocial environment has now become so toxic that the pressures to self-censor have become much more complex and powerful. Much more is at stake than personal emotions, ego, reputation or opportunities and penalties.
Following my instinct for transparency, I will state my position, which has been evolving since I first started to consider whether the novel virus in Wuhan might lead to a repeat of the 1919 flu pandemic or even something on the scale of the Black Death. I can summarise my current position and beliefs as follows:
- The virus is real, novel and kills mostly aged, ill and obese people with symptoms both similar to and different from related corona viruses.
- It most likely is a result of ‘Gain of Function’ research at Wuhan Institute of Virology in China supported by funding from the US government.
- Escape rather than release was the more likely start of the pandemic.
- Vaccines in use in western world countries are based on novel technology developed over many years, but without resulting in effective or safe vaccines previously.
- The fear about the virus generated by the official response and media propaganda is out of proportion to the impact of the disease.
- Effective treatment protocols for Covid-19 exist and if those are implemented early in the disease, then hospitalisation and deaths can be greatly reduced, as achieved in some countries that faced severe impacts (especially Mexico and India).
- The socioeconomic and psychosocial impacts of the response will cause more deaths than the virus has so far, especially in poor countries.
- The efficacy of vaccines is falling while reported adverse effects are now much greater proportionally than for previous vaccines.
- The under-reporting of adverse events is also much higher than for previous vaccines, although this is still an open question.
- The possibility of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) leading to higher morbidity and death in the future is a serious concern and could be unfolding already in countries such as Israel where early and high rates of vaccination have occurred.
Given the toxic nature of views already expressed about (and by) people I know and respect, I am not going to engage in an extensive collating of evidence, referencing who I think are reliable experts and intermediaries who can interpret the virus, the vaccine or any of the related parts of the puzzle. Outsourcing personal responsibility for due diligence to authorities is a risky strategy at the best of times; in times of challenge and rapid change the risks escalate. I do not want to convince anyone to not have the vaccine, but I do want to provide solidarity with those struggling (often alone and isolated) to find answers, so the following are two starting points that I think could be helpful:
- For those trying to understand the vaccines, their efficacy and risks, ‘This interview could save your life: a conversation with Dr Peter McCulloch’ provides a good overview with full reference to official data, scientific papers and clinical experience.
- For those focused on treatment options, the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCA) physicians are a good source on this rapidly emerging field of clinical practise.
As a healthy 66-year-old I am not personally afraid of the virus, but if greater virulence and death rate do emerge with new variants, I might consider the preventative regimen recommended by the FLCCA doctors. There is no way I will be getting any of the current vaccines in the foreseeable future, no matter what the sanctions and demonisation of my position on this matter.
At this point there may be readers who decide to ignore anything and everything I have written as obviously deluded. These are the costs of transparency.
Valuing the Marginal
Tolerance, let alone celebration of diversity, is not the easy permaculture principle many of us assume. Valuing the marginal can be even harder, especially if we study the darker periods of human history.
Over most of history, minority ethnicities and subcultures lived in ambiguous complementarity with dominant majorities. For hundreds, if not a thousand, years my Jewish ancestors made valuable contributions to European culture while managing to maintain their own culture to an extraordinary extent. They lived in ghettos not just for protection from the eruptions of intolerance in the dominant Christian communities but to ensure their language and culture wasn’t swamped by that of the majority. While the Jews carried the elitist belief that they were God’s Chosen People, they didn’t attempt to gain converts and were naturally respectful to the majority Christians. They survived through all but the worst of antisemitic pogroms by not antagonising the majority, largely accepting the restrictions placed on them by society. What else could they do?
Similar dynamics could emerge from the virus and the vaccine, where a subculture of home birth, home education, home food production and alternative health brings together people of previously diverse subcultures, including permies, who are excluded from society. That exclusion will seem self-inflicted to the majority, but for those excluded it will feel critical to both survival and identity.
Is it sensible to plead for tolerance in line with sensitivities to the rights of other minorities? Or is that just an invitation to be stoned to death, if not literally then virtually, on social media?
Unfortunately one of the weaknesses of western culture, which shows up in both Christian and Muslim traditions, is the idea that if a particular path is the correct one, then everyone should follow it. From the perspective of east Asian philosophy and many Indigenous traditions, harmonious balance is more important than the right way. The yin yang symbol showing each polarity containing the seed of its opposite encapsulates this critically important antidote to the recurring western theme about the triumph of good over evil. In The Patterning Instinct Jeremy Lent explores how these different world views have shaped history and that any emergent ecological world view will foreground the importance of harmonious balance.
The wisdom of the collective
I want to lead by example in trying to understand and articulate why it is good that the majority of the population appears to be strongly behind the official plan and that maybe it is even good that a majority of my permaculture colleagues might be lining up to get vaccinated, when I have no intention of doing so.
Firstly, I acknowledge the obvious reason that if the official story is right, the majority getting vaccinated will combine with naturally acquired immunity and control the worst effects of the virus without the need to get every last dissenter vaccinated.
Secondly, given the pressure to push the vaccination rate in every way possible, encouraging some extra hesitators to resist will only increase the pressure and possibly lead to harsher sanctions as well as more broken family relationships, reputations, pain and suffering, which could be worse than potential adverse effects of the virus, or the vaccine, on those people.
Thirdly, because so many people I respect as intelligent and ethical are following the plan, I won’t fall into the trap of losing respect for who they are, what they have done and what else they might do in the future. And if it turns out this is the start of a more permanent hard fascist command state, then we need people of good values on the inside to keep open whatever channels of communication remain possible.
As systems unravel, the stories that make sense of the world also fall apart and in the desperate search for mental lifeboats, different stories come to the fore. The mainstream story around the pandemic is one such mental lifeboat that allows people to maintain faith and function. Without the renewed source of faith and order from rational science guiding technological wizardry, the psychosocial shock from a pandemic could be enough to create social, economic and political chaos on a historically unprecedented scale, at least in long-affluent countries like Australia.
Whatever the nature of the next crisis, I think it will require citizens to by and large accept that the behaviours, rights and freedoms we took for granted are artifacts of a vanishing world. Further, it will provide a harsh reality check on how dependent most of us are on systems we have no control over, so most will find they have little choice but to accept the new state of affairs.
While I might resent what I see as unnecessary sanctions on those resisting, I accept than in the early stage of Brown Tech energy descent, harsh and by some perspectives, arbitrary, controls on behaviour will be part of our reality and are arguably necessary to maintain some sort of social order (even if short-sighted or not sustainable in the long run). My aim is to focus on how we ameliorate the adverse effects of a predicament that humanity cannot escape.
More philosophically, the virus and the response to it could be seen as a meditation practise showing us how no one is an island separated from the whole of life. To break down the toxic notion that we are free agents to do as we choose without consideration of consequences, especially for future generations and the wider community of life, is something permaculture teaching has tried to bring to daily life. How we do this in meaningful ways is a constant challenge.
Sympathy for the devil
Having at least had a go at seeing the good in the mainstream plan, I now want to articulate quite passionately why the majority should at least tolerate and not seek to further punish the minority for their resistance. To advocate for this within the permaculture movement, I appeal to our pluralism in celebrating the diversity of action. This is especially where permies take the risk of being the unvaccinated guinea pigs, who can at least be a control group in this grand experiment on the human family. Beyond that, I hope our colleagues inside the tent will see the need to express solidarity with our right to chart our own course and not feel they have to be silent for fear of being cast out of the tent.
While I respect the younger permaculture folk following the plan for the common good, I still believe the most creative deep adaptations to the Brown Tech world will be crafted at the geographic and conceptual fringes by younger risk takers coming together in new communities of hope. While the paths to the armoured centre and the feral fringes both have their risks, those on the inside, especially older people, should accept that the young risk takers on the fringes might create pathways though the evolutionary bottleneck of energy descent more effectively than the best resourced and rationally devised plans from within the system of thinking that has created the civilisation crises.
Whether or not the pandemic will lead to the flowering of creative light-footed models for adaptation, the larger energy descent crisis for which permaculture was originally designed (that most permies recognise as the ‘Climate Emergency’) needs these responses at the margins. If the permaculture movement cannot digest this basic truth and at least defend the right of people to craft their own pathways in response to collapse of all certainties, then our movement will have failed the first great test of its relevance in a world of energy descent.
Some permie dissidents will double down in their focus on preparation to survive and thrive in spite of the sanctions, while others will be energised by non-violent direct action to resist what they see as draconian and counterproductive collective punishment. In doing so they may draw on past experience, or inspiration, from the frontlines of anti-war, environmental defence and free communication resistance.
In the past, more apolitical permies trying to introduce permaculture to socially conservative punters could still acknowledge, at least privately, the element of truth in the quip ‘permaculture is revolution disguised as gardening’. In today’s climate, can permies inside the tent accept and appreciate their colleagues on the frontlines of a new resistance movement that might moderate the extremes of how society navigates the larger climate emergency? Or will they flip and decide permaculture was, after all, mostly hippy nonsense now further contaminated with toxic right wing conspiracy madness, so must be dumped as unfit for purpose in our new world?
In saying this, I’m not suggesting we should all follow suit, let alone belittle or demonise those who don’t take the walk on the wild side. That would also be a contradiction of permaculture ethics and design principles. As we have always taught, ethics and design principles are universal but rarely lead to clear and conclusive solutions. Strategies and techniques vary with the context; wonderful elegant design solutions for one context can be hopeless white elephants, or worse, in another. Context is everything and as colleague Dan Palmer has so effectively applied in his Living Design Process, the people context is as complex, subtle and diverse as that of the land and nature.
The sovereignty of persons to choose freely how they grapple with the tension between autonomy and the needs of the commonwealth is not just an ideal from western Enlightenment civilisation working out how to apply the gift of fossil fuel wealth. It is a fundamental expression of how the ecology of context is constantly shifting, and that all systems simultaneously express life through bottom-up autonomy of action and top-down guidance of collective wisdom.
In times of great stability, the distilled wisdom of the collective, embodied in institutions, carries human culture for the long run. Sometimes the sanctions on the individuals who rejected the rules of the collective were harsh and, according to modern thinking, arbitrary but over long periods of relative stability, those rules kept society working. In times of challenge and change it is, ironically, dissidents at the fringes who salvage and conserve some of the truths of the dying culture into the unknown future to craft new patterns of recombinant culture.
What we call ‘science’ had its origins in what Pythagoras salvaged, almost single handedly, from the decadent and corrupt theocracies of ancient Egypt of which he was an initiate, before he walked away from the centre to the margins of civilisation. Major failures in the application of so-called trusted science have been a feature of our lived experience. Tragically, science could be one of the casualties as humanity passes through the cultural evolution bottleneck of climate chaos and energy descent. Permaculture was one attempt to craft a holistic applied design science grounded in observation and interaction, taking personal responsibility and accepting (negative) feedback, designing from patterns to details, and creatively using and responding to change. I still believe that salvaged and retrofitted versions of practical science crafted at the margins will serve humanity better than rigid faith in the priests of arcane specialised knowledge maintained by an empire of extraction and exploitation. Can we be sure what the father of science and mathematics would do in this time of turmoil?
Whatever the historical significance of these times, maintaining connections across differences of understanding and action within permaculture and kindred networks will strengthen us all in dealing with the unfolding challenges and opportunities of the energy descent future.
David Holmgren
Melliodora
September 2021
109 thoughts on “Pandemic Brooding: Can the Permaculture movement survive the first severe test of the energy descent future? ”
Thank you. This writing creates much needed space in this world for those who are are needing it more then ever right now.
Thank you David for laying out the various perspectives. It’s complex and emerging and we all have something to contribute.
Perfect and timely article David! Agree 100%. I await how this all plays out with trepidation and interest.
Much gratitude for your sharing David. So Much I resonate with and it feels very supportive.
Thank you for this article ….my thoughts and feelings in these last 18months plus…. has aloud me to use my learnt and innate skills too downsize move home and to work with my immediate community. Whatever we choose in our own personal life design the knowledge of that we are part of a whole and that service is an seen and unseen force that creates the now is a conscious driver as these days unfold. Thank you again from the UK
David, thank you for speaking with such clarity as always.
The level of coercion was unexpected by me. I did not expect the system itself to demand complete obedience. I was wrong to not expect such coercion. Now to decide whether a full opt out is in order and the extent to which it is possible. The physiological malaise is enshrined by the fluoridated and sedated folk.
Jesus David. It is only through mass vaccinations that we can prevent this virus from mutating into variants that will kill or damage healthy children.
You should not blithely state that you will reluctantly agree to a vaccination you object to, but only if and when the virus comes up with a variant that might damage your healthy 66 year old body. It might asumptomatically use your RNA, your healthy biological and chemical substrates to become something that infects and kills many innocent beings because you remain unvaccinated.
Also, this is a miserable statement: ” I feel like I finally have a box seat to watch the train of techno-industrial civilization hitting the Limits to Growth stone wall and breaking apart, all in slow motion.” Permies, finally watching mass suffering. Too smart to individually participate in a global attempt to survive this pandemic. Where is the social cohesion in your rejection of vaccination?
Yes, of course there is exploitation by Big Pharma. There was with Polio, HIV. There are always bastards. But how easy and hubristic to be a fringe-dwelling iconoclast, until you feel you now need a vaccine to save your own skin? Just yesterday I needed a Tetanus injection and antibiotics for a rapid cellulitis infection from a puncture wound from my mum’s garden. Our dad died four weeks ago. Would it help anyone if I refused treatment?
Don’t throw good science out with bad capitalism. Not now.
Angela-
“It is only through mass vaccinations that we can prevent this virus from mutating into variants that will kill or damage healthy children.” You have this completely backwards. The vaccines are “leaky” and that “leakiness” is what causes the mutations. So it is the vaccinated that are causing the harm. All immunologists and virologists know this. See https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ for the explanation. Needless to say, the mainstream media has not brought this our attention. Perhaps you were being facetious with the above quoted sentence?
The vaccines may be leaky and may contribute to the virus mutating (while also saving many lives), but the virus mutated before there had been mass vaccination – it’s what viruses do. To blame vaccination for the virus mutating is as wrongly black and white as saying that mass vaccination will prevent the virus mutating, in my understanding.
Actually I believe it is environmental pressures that cause mutations that adapt to greater chance of survival(evolution), hence vaccinated people cause vaccine resistant virus and antibiotics create antibiotic resistant bacteria.
Thanks David for a great breakdown of what has been happening. I found myself agreeing with all you said and will pass it onto others in the hope of explaining my position on this issue. You made my wife so happy with your opinions.
Yes well said about conditions for virus mutation.
GVD may or may not be correct. His arguments are largely speculative and theoretical. He also falls into the all too common trap of appealing to his audience by athropomorphising the virus and endowing it with powers of choice and the ability to strategize. Saying the virus is “forced” to take a certain path is deeply misguided and unfortunately very common among science “explainers”. Darwin was wrong about many things but the principles of evolution being based on (blind) natural selection stands and endowing viruses (or bacteria, cyclones, bushfires or any other natural threat) with the power of choice just muddies the waters.
As I said, he may or may not be right, but this is a poor argument.
Nice job building a straw man and immolating it. Did you even read what he wrote? He stated that he will not be getting the vaccine if a new variant emerges, he said that he will be using the flcc preventative treatment protocols, which include ivermectin, zinc, vitamin D amongst other things.
Also, people who are vaccinated are just as likely to create variants as those who are not vaccinated as the shots are non sterilising, in fact it is more likely because the vaccine is putting evolutionary pressure on the virus. Just look at super weeds which developed from over use of herbicides, placing evolutionary pressure on the plants.
As to you getting your tetanus shot, good for you. No one is telling you can and can’t inject into your body.
Angela, explain Israel’s mass explosion of viral load and the contagion within the bodies of vaccinated individuals passing this on to vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
David exposes his unpopular? view, shared by many others that agenda setting and mass crisis creation, is a tool to and control to cause malaise. If you do not understand that, perhaps you do not understand his point of view?
I suggest reading comments by Henry Kissinger.
Yep, totally support this response Angela. This piece of writing just seems to come from a person who doesn’t seem to grasp their privilege and subsequent positioning within a movement. Really disappointing to see someone with so much power making such unfounded claims and statements
I am always amazed when people get accused of their privilege for courageously speaking their truth, especially from within a minority perspective.
If one believes wholeheartedly
that the vaccines are the only answer for humanity with regards to the virus, and it’s selfish not to get it, how many privileged people in the most vaccinated Western world are selflessly willing to give up their own vaccine privilage, or even advocate for equal accessibility to it for those in less privileged countries?? There doesn’t seem to be any selfless action in this regard, but much accusation of selfishness and privilage…There is just so much blind hypocrisy and dualistic thinking all over at the moment.
Thank you to David, in my opinion, for humbly expressing his perspective.
Try reading other articles by David and you will see your concerns well discussed.
Dear Angela, grow up and stop projecting your fear onto this mans open sharing and vulnerability.
Excellent response!
You are deluded if you don’t realize vaccination, in the midst of a “pandemic”, causes adaptation.
Thanks Angela
If you read the article again you might see that the seeming flippancy of some statements was countered by thoughtful protracted observations – a permaculture principal. Many years ago I read the chicken virus study which shows that virus virulence can be driven by leaky vaccines. The idea that a fast evolving virus can be irradicated by vaccination, even if they did work for longer than a couple of months and did not have so many side effects, is not solid if all if even plausible.
I love the idea of solidarity and a collective response to global crisis but I think our efforts could better be spent on solutions for global warming and preventing wars than by dividing society and creating an untouchable underclass for the sake in a war on a virus which is likely becoming mild and endemic. Peace.
Arrrrrgh! you’re certainly brooding there David, maybe waffling is a better term? Nothing about housing being used as hedge funds and the difficulty of those trying to find a place to live. Oh the privilege of the property owners who are able to waffle on giving priority to vaccine choice 🙄
Hi Fern, David addressed these exact issues in his previous piece, ‘The Class Divide in a Time of Pandemic: a Permaculture Perspective’, which you can read here: https://holmgren.com.au/writing/the-class-divide-in-a-time-of-pandemic-a-permaculture-perspective/
Having also done a great deal of ‘due diligence’ reading and interpreting science papers and data (at a level I would much rather not have needed to do btw) I have come to almost identical conclusions and personal decisions. I have also found a spiritual component has made room for a deeper sense of peace amid the upheaval.
Non-dualistic ideas allow for expansion of the concept of self beyond our body. Although we must make decisions around the use of this body and largely identify with it in our normal day to day activities, we should try our best not to use it as a symbol of separation. Ultimately love unites and fear separates. Right now we need love.
Yes Nathan Edwards we need a politics of love not division. I have sat on the fence and have been forced to research more deeply. The further and broader I go the more I see we are being subjected to a mass psychosis. It is scary to watch my nice academic community minded friends turn into haters of the so called anti vax and blame this minority for their fears.
Thanks David, a very well written article. I stand with you. I would say that I move in the sort of permie, free thinking lefty circles that have been historically skeptical of the mainstream, and stalwart activists for human rights. It has really surprised me how the mainstream CoVid narrative has taken hold within my social groups to the point of losing friendships.
I have a theory that a feminisation of the values of our current western society, reinforced by a large section of the media is the method by which this is occurring.
The personality trait agreeableness (which is strongly correlated with the feminine) is all about care. When care is unpacked you also get political correctness, veganism and many more rising phenomena. Care has also been the main marketing message of the vaccine – do it for those around you. The rise of the feminine values are also to the detriment of the masculine values and I believe this is why the less agreeable (dissenting) view are being silenced.
I understand this may seem a bold claim to make and I am not as articulate in making it as I would like to be. There is a body of work produced by a Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson which I find very similar in its method of reasoning to your work on permaculture, it incorporates science and spirituality but is very generalist. He has some great insight into this phenomenon https://youtu.be/Xw1lthwHn9U He cops a lot of flack for being far right but he is definitely not, I really think you would find his work extremely interesting and his lectures are free to view on his website.
I also feel like I need to state that I love women, am a proud father of an amazing daughter, and my grandmother is my hero. In no way shape or form am I criticising women. I am merely trying to understand how we may have gotten ourselves in this predicament and how we might be able to extract ourselves again 🙂
Thank you for this comment Mr. Gallagher. There is a great pressure to silence experiences and observations that you are expressing. Soon we have to exit this dark ages of tyranny though, with completely new discourse to lead us to balance again.
Jordan Peterson is a light-weight pop philosopher that appeals mostly to incels and reactionaries. His teachings and overall philosophy basically boil down to bootstraps and make your bed. Not bad values to have on their own, but also totally useless as ways to see and understand our world. The man’s a simpleton. He wouldn’t listen to a permaculture presentation for more than three minutes before declaring it a Marxist Communist Trap. No, I don’t think Mr. Holmgren needs to waste his time with Jordan Peterson.
Hi Denis,
“ He wouldn’t listen to a permaculture presentation for more than three minutes before declaring it a Marxist Communist Trap”
I believe you have done just as you accuse. Anyone that has bothered to understand his work would not come to this conclusion. It appears you have taken your opinions of him from the top google results of his name – editorial mudslinging and straw men.
This type of lazy thinking and mob tar and feather approach is how we got to this point.
“Jordan Peterson is a light-weight pop philosopher ”
Mr Peterson is one of the most articulate and intelligent and well considered people I have EVER heard speak. Light weight pop philosopher is a pathetic insult for sucha giant of a man.
Matt Gallagher, where do you get your ideas from? China, nazi Germany, Afghanistan, North Korea are great examples of countries where dissent was/has been silenced. Explain to us how this is the result of feminisation. Honestly, I have never read such a stupid statement as this “ The rise of the feminine values are also to the detriment of the masculine values and I believe this is why the less agreeable (dissenting) view are being silenced.”
Thank you David for your words. I have come to identical conclusions on the other side of the world-I live in Uruguay-.
It is in these times of darkness that at least a certain kind of enlightment will be achieved, at least by those willing to learn from what is going on.
Kind Regards for you and Su,
Sebastian
Thank you Dave, very grateful for your words in these troubling times.
Nice words David. I have really struggled to watch as people who I thought had a good grasp of ecology and the long history of danger associated with meddling in complex living systems with novel technology (GMO”s, herbicides, pesticides, plastic etc) have so easily signed up for the latest dodgy offering from pharmaceutical companies. It only makes sense to as a religious affirmation of belief in progress, the scientific method, and the power of technology, revealing that many who claim to be environmentalists do not necessarily practice what they preach when it comes to their own body. Obviously the societal pressure is immense and I do sympathise, but the complete selling out of ethics is reminiscent of what occurred in the 80s. Perhaps they didn’t actually believe that energy descent and it’s accompanying calamities was coming, and the psychological shock is too much.
Regarding the comparison to the Jews – I don’t see it. The Jews were an urbanised population and therefore easily targeted for scapegoating. As far as I can tell, belief in the official narrative is most strong in urban populations, with noted exceptions in recent immigrant commities. A lot of the resistance is from rural landed people, such as yourself, so the power balance is very different to an urban ghetto population. It is more reminiscent to me of the Soviet Union; we don’t care who you are, as long as you believe what we say. The soviets didn’t care much about what Siberian peasants were doing, they were far more concerned with purging the power centres, a circular firing squad if you will. I think we will see this more and more as time goes on, with the frnges abandoned. What we also must be careful of is a reactionary movement, as history shows these to be just as dangerous as what they are reacting to. As you say, sympathy and understanding is vitally important.
You must not be familiar with the war on cannabis where the urban centers are ready to cast off the official narratives and the rural areas want to maintain the official narratives.
Thank you David for writing about a topic of which the elements are still very much in flux.
The phrase “copping one for the team” has never been so ambivalent.
Thinking about how minorities often shape the mainstream, Nassim Taleb’s article “Minority Rule” sprang to mind: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15
With warm regards,
Sambodhi Prem
David, great writing here. I think personal context significantly affects people’s response to the pandemic. For example, I live in a high density inner urban area and have an at risk 83 year old mother in law. Whilst big pharma is a massive problem my due diligence indicated that getting the vaccine would lessen the risks. Plus if and when international travel re-starts I have overseas agroforestry research via a Churchill Fellowship to complete. I’m certain that mandatory vaccine passports will be enforced here and overseas.
However, I don’t wear masks outdoors and don’t do online check in at venues because I’ve lost trust in the police and big tech to not use the data.
I applaud the pluralist approach you espouse. We need a diversity of views and strategies, based on observable phenomena (we used to call it ‘facts’).
My general approach is to navigate the fertlle edges between conformity and the fringe. Akin to the ecotone between habitats with a diversity of actors, opinions and strategies. The edge is where it’s at, right?
I could debate points of fact, but I think that is beside the point, and possibly what got us all here in the first place.
Because I think it is not about the facts, it is about values – a sense of what it means to be a good human.
I guess we all have our point beyond which we will not go, and conversely, things we will risk our own life or health for. For you the point beyond which you will not go is getting any of the current vaccines in the foreseeable future, and the thing you would risk your own life or health for is freedom to dissent. For me the point beyond which I will not go is placing medical service people in impossible position. The thing I would risk my own life or health for is to fulfil my responsibilities in a mutual obligation. (Possibly related to growing up as eldest daughter in a very marginal household :).
I’m fit and healthy now. I don’t fear covid, or, for that matter, any of the vaccines. I have read the science, but also deferred to the people I know who know how to read it better. But I have needed Western, advanced medical care in the past. I would have died in childbirth, like so many women over the ages. I would have died of appendicitis, a kidney infection, my daughter would have died in childbirth too, my son of a badly broken leg. It was one of the things I mulled on for a long time in ‘470’. Most of the gains of “civilization” I think are a poor trade for the things lost, but after living in Cuba and spending time in Vanuatu, I think as we recalibrate to a more dangerous and less forgiving world, the loss of advanced medical services will be the thing we really miss.
We will miss “big pharma” – not every day – I could count on one hand the number of times I have had to use it. Today I have a cough, and lemon myrtle in the shower to steam up the bathroom, tea with home grown ginger, thyme and peppermint, and I am eying off a pineapple for ripeness. But without big pharma, I would not have survived the first of those few occasions and the pineapple would never have been planted. In Vanuatu, if you break a leg there is no Xray. If you have a fallopian pregnancy there is no ultrsound. I can grow a pineapple but I cannot manufacture even ivermectin (which, from my reading, is a shitload more dangerous than vaccination, of dubious efficacy, and I hate to think what all that worm and parasite killer is going to do in the sewerage system, but I wasn’t going to go there, was I. ).
For me, supporting health care professionals is part of the social contract. A thing I would fight tooth and nail is privatisation of health care, a la USA, turning it into a commodity and transaction. I have no doubt health care can be managed and administered better, but I also have no doubt, at all, that the vast majority of the half a million or so health care professionals in Australia are there for ‘right livelihood” reasons. They’re educated, experienced, and they have skin in the game. Research says that the vast majority of them also accept vaccination themselves.
For me, it is just flat out morally unacceptable, the point beyond which I won’t go, to just “expect” them to deal with the fallout from the covid pandemic. There is something so hugely entitled about it that it is hard for me to summon tolerance. They were stretched beyond reasonable before. Now, in Sydney they are being exposed to the moral injury of an impossible task that cannot be dropped. Sydney ambulance, emergency, covid wards are beyond breaking. Ambulances ramping, hospitals calling code red, people in their 70s being triaged for non-treatment, people dying at home before an ambulance can respond. My son is a critical care paramedic. His first patient this morning had waited 10 hours. And the trickle-down/flood down effect on anyone arriving in emergency for any other reason. And we know from the experience of Italy and USA and India that it can get much worse. I would lay you very large odds that the crisis in medical workforce will not be due to vaccine refusal but due to PTSD.
So what can I do? I can correct misinformation on social media, though I don’t know how much use that is. I can support every bit of politics that “flattens the curve” and oppose every bit that prioritises private businesses over the commons of public health. I can do harsh reality checks with people who think both biology and physics are susceptible to special pleading, and they are special. I can not get covid, not host development of new mutations, not allow my body to be a vector for spreading covid.
Vaccination is not the only way to do that, not even a very good way on its own. But it is part of the arsenal and low risk for me, much lower risk than getting covid, lower risk than needing the emergency department for something else even when that has only happened a handful of times in my life. I don’t trust government, at all, but I do trust the worldwide medical research community. I don’t trust them to pick what to research – that’s where there is major distortion – but I do trust them not to falsify results. Not every individual, but the method.
I get it if people don’t like vaccines, for whatever reason. But in my moral code, that doesn’t absolve them of the ethical duty to not allow their body to be host or a vector. And I think without vaccination that pretty well means social isolation or at least a bubble (and very great care not to have an accident needing hospital). It will be the people who are vaccinated who will have to try to hold the public space (using masks and distancing and contact tracing too), until covid runs its course, as every pandemic in history so far has. And I’m ok with that. Least I can do.
Linda, on the one hand you wish not debate points, and then attempt to whilst hiding behind the claim that this “is not about the facts, it is about values – a sense of what it means to be a good human.”
Personally I believe that tolerance and understanding means that one may disagree with something another believes and understand their motivation, any disagreement with them however does not give you the right any moral superiority.
Several of the items you tout as fact, can only hold true via a combination of contorted interpretation of data, predicates which do not hold and an almost charming naivety. For example your description of Invermectin as a “worm and parasite killer” is as you know only half truth. It is used as a horse de-wormer, but was prescribed as human medicine, (it’s creators winning a Nobel prize – [if you wish to use an appeal to authority], long before it’s veterinary use. The non toxic levels are hardly a secret in medical circles. So you are either being disingenuous or naive about the information you are preferring to believe and disseminate here.
If the the unvaccinated have an “ethical duty to not allow their body to be host or a vector”, then so do the vaccinated. Given that the mRNA jabs were never intended to sterilise the virus, only reduce symptoms, but not transmission then the moral certainty of being a “good person” by getting “the shot” evaporates.
Adding in the latest data shows that the vaccinated are carrying higher viral loads, are spreading the virus and are more likely to die when hospitalised, I would be less quick to judge those who take a different path than you. Alternatively using your own yardstick of judgement, you are just a “bad” person…
Linda,
Respectfully you are c incorrect when you say ‘I get it if people don’t like vaccines, for whatever reason. But in my moral code, that doesn’t absolve them of the ethical duty to not allow their body to be host or a vector. ‘ – the vaccines are a false paradigm as are your views inho.
I applaud David for speaking about this when few will. There must be proper debate, not forcefulness of the mandated approach set by the Government in conjunction with WHO & Big Pharma.
I have listened to several relevant scientifically valid discussions on the flaws in the ‘mandated’ approach.
I have seen the completely unethical and unscientific reasons stated by the TGA for heavily restricting a cheap and highly effective treatment [Ivermectin].
While I do not like being combative online, I am truly fed up with the notion that the information we are being fed by our ‘leaders’ holding power what they demand the media to report, is goood for us in the long run.
Be a good Permie.
Recognise the important points raised here about how we must have respect for the right to choose in light of limited and manipulated information.
As Jewish survivor family member, I find it disturbing how the masses are following the instructions put to them with respect to Vaccination.
Thank you David for a very good piece.
Thankyou for this grounded and considered response Linda, I 100% support and hat you have said
I’m grateful for this response, thanks, Linda, for putting into beautiful words exactly what I wanted to say.
I appreciate Linda’s well crafted note. But much of what you write Linda, isn’t necessarily fact at all and much of it changing week to week – for instance “vaccines” don’t keep people from being infected. That kind of nuance matters, a lot. The vaccines as such won’t keep this pandemic from continuing, nor will masks or reasonable distancing (short of extreme impractical levels of long term complete social isolation). So it’s here to stay, addressing that seemingly incontrovertible fact is what we need to do now.
Dear Linda. It appears the pandemic may well have almost run its course. When the war is over let the prisoners go. If the mandates and vaccine schedules remain we shall know that they are not in the interest of the common good.
In the mean time there are a few counter points to consider:
Early treatment protocols have been incredibly effective in India and many places around the world. Why have these not been promoted along side the vaccines?
Why are protective factors such as Vit D etc not promoted as a way of reducing viral load and stress on hospitals?
Anti viral treatments like ivermectin etc can and have been used safely and effectively with substantial results in reducing pressure on hospitals when administered by a health professional.
Phizer had massive government start up funding yet charges a premium price and spends millions on advertising. Phizer has also been less than transparent to the point of cagey about their approval process. FOI applications to Phizer have been met with considerable delay however one release has shown that they failed to list all of the known side effects observed.
I think David’s article may age well.
Hi David,
fantastic to read that another one of the people I greatly admire in the world has come to the same conclusions. This is truly the great shaking of the tree where we get to see which group of nuts we belong to. (each side sees the other as nuts). Stay well and safe.
Nik
Thanks David, for a most thoughtful and even-handed discussion of the crisis, which we have been thrust into, no matter which position we might have chosen, or might have found ourselves in.
I am a family doc in Austin, Texas, and maintain 3 vegetable gardens, at out little Austin duplex, at our “homestead” in Yoakum, Texas, and at the public health clinic, where I work. I forged ahead in the vanguard of understanding and dealing with COVID, testing more patients than any other provider (of 30), and being the only one to treat with repurposed antivirals. I have been in communication with Peter McCullough MD since last fall. We were already on the same track. I have just been officially forbidden to prescribe ivermectin through the clinic, the core of the treatments that worked well in India and Mexico, when employed. I had already prescribed this for over a year.
I am not forbidden to prescribe anything but ivermectin.
The data about the safety of ivermectin is overwhelmingly good.
Why is it subjected to such heavy political attack?
My experience has been that most patients feel better in a day or 2, and only one has had to be hospitalized, the day after beginning treatment, which was begun late for him.
I believe that the ruling narrative is facing unanticipated consequences of vaccine problems, which you have mentioned. That narrative could be maintained agains “rare” side effects, but it appears unsustainable in the face of what looks like a transition from net benefit, of vaccines, to net harm from vaccines, as time and viral mutation march on.
After 18 cumulative years at this clinic, I will be fired November 1 for refusal to accept novel mRNA (or DNA) vaccination. I am standing naked with the Jews, and have long wondered how somebody would have known when to act after 1932 in Germany. Now I know. The violation of the principle of personal bodily autonomy is the clear sign. The future is not predictable, but it remains malleable to our current and resolute efforts. I seek to improve the situation as we go forward, by taking firm, moral action now.
John Day MD http://www.johndayblog.com
I’m sorry but this is an exceptionally tone-deaf statement:
“I am standing naked with the Jews, and have long wondered how somebody would have known when to act after 1932 in Germany. Now I know.”
No you don’t.
Thank you John, for your voice and your courage to speak out as a doctor/medical. It is interesting to hear from you, especially your point of view on thetreatmentwithIvermectin. I think it is important to have an open debate now, and to ask questions, even if they are uncomfortable, otherwise our children and grandchildren might aks us later, how this could happen, and why we did not act. (Hannah Arendt once wrote: “Evil thrives on apathy and cannot exist without it.”) Peace and love from Austria.-
Hi Dave,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on possibly the most polarising issue of our generation. I have been watching the greatest existential threat coming from the increasing polarisation of ideologies (perhaps from the comfort of the relative safety and privilege of my physical and social isolation). It is evident that this increasing polarisation around the pandemic has a less obvious foundation of left versus right, or west versus east (insert your polarity of choice here). I have always embraced permaculture as the seemingly dichotomous approach to humanities obvious existential crisis. Love forests? Get a chainsaw. Love animals? Get a gun and shoot them. Permaculture (and environmentalism) has always had the problem of extreme polarisation from left wing ideology as much as it has from the right. To me permaculture has the unique position of the yin-yang approach to the environmental and psycho-social and now the humanitarian helath crisis. Many see sitting on the fence as a cop-out to what is an obvious choice of right and wrong (as evident from some of the comments here). Perhaps our greatest existential threat comes from our increasing lack of compassion for views held in apparent opposition to our perceived views. The permaculture view of weeds was my first real taste of how I must consider and challenge the diverse range of viewpoints as objectively as possible. I found despite considering myself a hardcore lefty I find myself most horrified by the left and the apparent inability to listen to alternative perspectives through a collective deafness driven by ideological righteousness. The pandemic seems to be amplifying this polarity to the detriment of our social fabric. I’m vaccinated, for various personal and social reasons, however only time will tell as to weather my choice was the ‘right’ one. There is no doubt this disease is diabolical, and that vaccines may play a role in our capacity to overcome it. It is clear we do not really know the answer and that we are a part of a massive experiment in vaccine efficacy. To insist vaccines are essential ignores the low-hanging fruits that are largely ignored. Metabolic health, Vitamin D and prophylactic medications are largely ignored by folks on either end of the polarities. And yes Dave, you can add ‘unvaccinated’ to your hetero, white, male, gun loving bulldozer friendly chainsaw crazy weed loving attributes that I find endearing and ultimately the catalyst for my passion to question everything with curiosity and respect.
Hamish. Massive respect. This is love in thought and holding to the notion of asking, listening and not telling. It shows humility and great strength. More power to you brother.
Thank you for this. I’m also one of the permie dissenters who’s not vaccinated and has no plans on becoming vaccinated. I’ve also been dismayed about how many people who used to be for rights and against censorship have jumped on that bandwagon. I should say, at this point I’m glad to be in the USA in a rural area in a state that hasn’t gotten as crazy with the COVID restrictions and vaccine push as a lot of places. The USA is far from perfect, but compared to what I’m hearing about Australia right now things are considerably more sane here. I see this as deeper than just about COVID, as COVID has just intensified trends and divides that were building before this point. As a society, we have been getting progressively more fearful and over-reactive, although selectively so. Richard Louv’s book “Last Child in the Woods” documents a lot of this with respect to how children are being raised. He wrote the book 15 years ago but these same trends have just gotten worse since then. He shows how much freedom has been lost in childhood, how little modern children get to roam the area, whether it be woods or a neighborhood, and have unstructured play. Instead, we increasingly have “helicopter parents” who are afraid to give their children the freedom that was normal only a few decades before. That might be justified if the dangers had actually increased, but in most cases they hadn’t, it was people’s perception that had changed dramatically.
This increased fear isn’t across the board, however. The helicopter parents who won’t let their children have free play outside are usually completely okay with driving them around everywhere, thus dealing with the risks inherent in car travel. Similarly, a large proportion of people who are intensely afraid of COVID have no problem with the sorts of unhealthy habits that lead to the chronic diseases that are the most common source of death and disability in the modern world. So, the fear is selective, and it tends to be selective in directions that favor consumerism and bureaucracy. This doesn’t need to be the result of a master-planned conspiracy, my best guess is that it’s just the result of lots of different smaller decisions that end up benefiting the rich and powerful, and the system takes on a life of its own. Propaganda only works when the population is receptive to it, so I think another part of the equation is that the idea of Man the Conquerer of Nature, even though it’s rarely stated as directly as it once was, is still one of the core principles of our civilization, including among environmentalists and even many permies. This leads to dangers associated with nature and the past (such as pathogenic disease) as being more feared than dangers associated with technological civilization (such as car accidents and chronic disease).
Because of these larger trends, I’ve been saying since soon after the lockdowns were announced that our responses to COVID would end up doing more harm than the virus itself. This doesn’t mean I think there shouldn’t have been any response, certain pragmatic changes during a pandemic are sensible, it’s just that overreaction was predictable given the state of our society. It was also predictable that a rushed vaccine being pushed on everyone would be the end result, considering how even in the years before COVID, vaccines had become one of the most emotionally laden symbols of Progress. I personally include the vaccines as likely to do more harm than good overall in the long term too, although the jury is still out on that one. They do seem to work at least temporarily to reduce hospitalizations and deaths a certain amount, but considering the surges in highly vaccinated countries such as Israel and the UK and the findings of high viral loads in the vaccinated, the argument that the unvaccinated are “plague rats” that are more likely to spread the disease holds no water. In fact, if the vaccinated tend to have milder cases, they may spread the virus even more as people who are up and about have more chances to spread it than those in bed. What I’m most concerned about, however, is the chance of new variants leading to worse outcomes in the vaccinated and actually end up leading to negative efficacy, as people like Geert Vanden Bossche have suggested. He’s said in his latest update that he expects that to happen before the end of the northern hemisphere winter, so we’ll see.
Thank you for this well articulated response. I also believe it boils down to fear, which is a pill so easy to swallow once we are fed the lie that 100% safety is possible, or even a laudable goal considering the trade-offs: children lacking the ability to navigate their world or to feel at home in nature. So much of what is happening is due to a huge disconnect from Nature. I found myself letting out sighs of relief as I read David’s article. It is nice to know that logic is not dead and I am not alone. May we find our way back from the quagmire of fear and division to an understanding that we are stronger together, accepting our differences and being willing to live in a world that is not monochromatic and stale in submissive acceptance to big corporate fear mongering.
Thank you David for your essay and for sparking this lively discussion, ensuring that we all get a glimpse of the individual opinions that this pandemic has inspired. Can humans respect the opinions of others? Probably not. Not all the time anyway. We are human after all. One concern i have is with the blase notion that if you are fully vaccinated, then mask wearing, isolating, hand washing etc is not relevant to you. Whether it is covid or the flu, gastro, or the common cold, there can be harm in passing on a virus/illness to vulnerable communities. This current vaccination does not preclude you getting a variant of this virus. You can still catch and pass on covid, the delta variant and possibly others that will emerge. Of course we will understand this better with hindsight. There is much more to the discussion of vaccinated versus unvaccinated. There is a meme going around that if you have eaten processed food, smoked cigarettes, drunk alcohol, sprayed weeds with chemicals, sucked in air pollution etc etc then why worry about what is in this vaccine? But what if you haven’t? What if you have made clean living choices and now the choice of what you put in your body is denied? To be fully transparent, i am a clean living health care worker where vaccine choice is now denied. I have parents in aged care where visits may be denied in reference to vaccination status. Under current lockdown regulations, my visits to my aged parents are currently on hold. Having compassion, kindness and respect for each other, for our different opinions, and sometimes our difficult choices, may be all we are left with when the dust settles on this one. This is a choice we do have, that we can make irrespective of the current pandemic laws. We must make that choice now.
“Having compassion, kindness and respect for each other, for our different opinions, and sometimes our difficult choices, may be all we are left with when the dust settles on this one. This is a choice we do have, that we can make irrespective of the current pandemic laws. We must make that choice now.” Thank you Lisa for these beautiful words.
I’ve quietly followed you for many years and consider you one of the few wise people on this planet.
It gives me great comfort to know that you share my views on Covid.
Stay well, Rob
Thankyou for standing in your truth, David, and sharing that widely – given the inevitable backlash. I applaud your courage, and also feel sad that these days having an alternative view and sharing it, is seen as courageous. Nonetheless not many are speaking out. I hope your words give courage to those in the permaculture world to find their true voices, and raise their hands in solidarity with you. And I hope those who disagree do so respectfully and with love.
Standing with you in solidarity.
I feel that so much about this article is problematic…
– the lack of credible sources for almost all the information presented,
– the lack of reflection on the privilege that is held by the author – white, middle class, hetero cis male (possibly?) non-essential worker, living on his own land in a developed country with access to a good health care system, that has not lived through the same impacts of covid that have been seen in other parts of the world, and how this places him in terms of risk of infection and death
– a lack of recognition on the complexity of why people might be vaccine hesitant and how different socio-economic, race/ethnicity, and gendered backgrounds have different historic relationships, sometimes of trauma, with the healthcare system, informing their choices. Not all people who are vaccine hesitant come from a place that is about questioning a mainstream majority opinion, and probably most aren’t
– a division of camps according to whether to vaccinate or not and the apparent presumption that to be supportive of vaccines is to automatically support the ‘mainstream’ approach. Supporting vaccines does not mean that someone supports other measures eg the policing and targeting of ethnic communities that occurred within both the Melbourne and Sydney lockdowns and vice versa, that to be against the vaccine equates to a mindset of challenging the status quo of society. If anything, being ‘pro-vaccine’ flies in the face of the individualist capitalist world where ones own needs are placed above the community
– the seeming (?) comparison of people questioning covid measures as being the same as people who are marginal voices and actors in the environment movement pushing against the mainstream
– a lack of awareness of the inherent privilege in being able to firstly receive a vaccines, and deeper privilege in being able to deny them (https://sites.rutgers.edu/nb-senior-exhibits/wp-content/uploads/sites/442/2020/08/Nadine-Yanes-final-pdf.pdf)
But the most problematic, in my opinion, is that you have used this platform, a powerful one, to effectively promote one choice over another. Your messaging could influence people to make choices to not be vaccinated which could have an impact on them individually as well as on others, particularly those providing or needing care within our hospital system.
You could have used your voice to look at how the values of permaculture could be used to bridge the divide, engage in conversations based on empathy or create neutral spaces within the community when one comes up against someone with different ideas, or at least any attempt to, is eclipsed by your very clear anti-vaccine stance.
Thank-you for articulating this so clearly. My exact stance and feelings also.
Where is the self reflection?
And I’m happy to be in the mainstream by getting vaccinated- a choice informed by my acceptance that I am not a scientists nor medical professional. Questioning the govt and big Pharma- absolutely – putting this above the care for community including the health system and vulnerable- no. I’ve had many vaccines over my lifetime as have my ancestors and I know many of us would not be here or healthy if not for vaccines.
I am working on treading more carefully and respecting difference but am yet to see in this or other clearly pro-choice/ anti-vax pieces a reflection on how this choice impacts on the wellbeing of the wider community. And that is where the division is coming for many. I sit with this and accept that some of the people I respect have such deeply different values – it’s a lot to process, which the article explores but a deeper self reflection it truly lacks.
Leaky non sterilising vaccine has many risks.
Agree with you wholeheartedly – feeling very depressed at the lack of awareness exhibited in David’s piece.
Thanks Dave,deep respect for coming out on these issues.
I honour that it’s written with open heart and sensitivity.
In regards to heart,it may be very important,or even vital to embrace and embody spirit in this more polarising chaotic world .
We witness and experience these challenging events,but it may be wise not to take shape and identify in them.
In other words,we all participate wholeheartedly in this dream by relating,caring,fearing,connecting etc.Yet it’s all witnessed in the light of spirit.,awareness,isness,god..whatever name we may have for it.It’s very very subtle and it’s beyond description mostly.
And I do not claim to have any special or extra connection to that,as I’m just as easily distracted and concerned by the events that are occurring.
I do not want the vaccine ,and I don’t feel I want to justify ,even though it takes many shapes!But I am very conscious of that ,and desire to be more conscious of that ,that is not touched by vaccine,big pharma ,big media,big anything.
From the heart to all hearts
Thanks for your continuing work David
A much needed, comforting read for me as one of the dissidents.
Thank you for expressing yourself so honestly and clearly David. I have come to very similar conclusions to yours on this issue, and believe it will only be a matter of time before the majority of people see the big picture with more clarity. We really are on the precipice of slipping into a technocratic dictatorship (based on some very selective and biased science at times – this coming from the perspective of a career scientist!), and a loss of freedoms that will be hard to claw back. As for the vaccines, the number of people I have spoken to that think it is just the two shots and they are done are sorely mistaken. They have made it clear that they want to make your freedom dependent on having a regular booster (6 monthly or so, and linked to a passport – which is very possibly linked to many other things – think China social credit system), which is particularly evident from the tens of millions of Pfizer doses that have been secured. You will be Pfizered to infinity and beyond! Israel has been used as the test country for the Pfizer vaccine, and it shows that it is a clear failure… They are already approaching the level of vaccine coverage that Australia is aspiring towards, and they have one of the worst case rates for covid in the world! And cases/hospitalisations are mostly among the vaccinated (as you’d expect in a country with a high vax coverage, but the proportion across all age classes is at least as high as the proportion vaccinated!). People need to understand that the current vaccines do not prevent transmission, nor lower viral loads (particularly for the Delta strain – the most common now), and for most people the risk from the virus is less than the flu (particularly children, who have no business being experimented upon). Those most at risk should have clear and easy access channels to the leading proponents for pre- and post-exposure prophylaxis and treatment. And, of course, anyone wishing to be vaccinated should do so, while anyone wishing to not be vaccinated should also be free to make that choice. No discrimination or medical apartheid.
Love to all x
Ditto. Edifying, eloquently elucidated.
Thank you for a much needed clarion call to conscientious objectors and those with (what seems to be) a marginal viewpoint. You have done so with a typically honorable voice and come to balanced conclusions.
I understand that a reasonably grim view of the world helped set the stage for the permaculture concept to emerge, and so it is with courage and ecologically informed processes that I’m buckling up for the bumpy road towards an energy descent future, runaway climate change, and social and political unrest during a global pandemic. In the process of grieving our world’s current predicament and all the challenges we will inevitably face, it is your work on permaculture that continues to call me forward.
Thank you for your life’s work, your open natured commitment to dialogue and intellectual enquiry and your dedication and practice to an ecological worldview. And thank you to everyone behind the scenes who helps with this work- I hope it reaches far and wide.
“My friends, do not lose heart. We were made for these times” Clarissa Pinkola Estes
Thank you for a much needed clarion call to conscientious objectors and those with (what seems to be) a marginal viewpoint. You have done so with a typically honorable voice and come to balanced conclusions.
I understand that a reasonably grim view of the world helped set the stage for the permaculture concept to emerge, and so it is with courage and ecologically informed processes that I’m buckling up for the bumpy road towards an energy descent future, runaway climate change, and social and political unrest during a global pandemic. In the process of grieving our world’s current predicament and all the challenges we will inevitably face, it is your work on permaculture that continues to call me forward.
Thank you for your life’s work to date, your open natured commitment to dialogue and intellectual enquiry and your dedication and practice to an ecological worldview. And thank you to everyone behind the scenes who helps with this work- I hope it reaches far and wide.
“My friends, do not lose heart. We were made for these times” Clarissa Pinkola Estes
Thank you, David. I am a young permie, deeply inspired by your work at Melliodora. I have been eagerly anticipating this essay, and find it truly comforting to know that my thoughts and feelings at this time align closely with someone whose work I admire and respect. You speak from a place of compassion and integrity, and have given me great hope knowing that I am not alone in experiencing similar intuitive responses at this time.
My partner and I are about to move to Denmark WA, and have been contacted by two friends and collaborators of yours who are building their own home at the moment. As part of an emerging group of risk takers at the geographic and conceptual fringes, we are committed to nurturing these relationships, believing we can come together in a community of hope inspired by the ethics and principles of permaculture. Thank you for sharing these with the world, and please continue to share your insights in the knowledge that they bring great hope to young permies like me.
Thank you for speaking out in such a nuanced and considerate way about the complexity of the current situation. I value your insight on this, resonate deeply, and I commend your bravery in speaking out.
David, Nothing to add. 100% agreement from our family. We are with you as kindred souls on this journey, following your down the necessarily frugal path…As highly sensitive souls (see Highly Sensitive People genetic trait), there are only 15%. The trait being to warn of danger and perhaps seek alternate pathways through destructive legacies? Please continue to be a voice for us all. This speaks to our concerns…https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X#
Linda, we are perplexed that your narrative has turned away from the necessity of resilience to dependence on an unsustainable solution even if it were effective which it very obviously appears not to be – see attached paper from scientific peer reviewed journal of which there are many if you care to turn off the tele!
Sorry Roxanne, but I can’t let this slide. I respect your view, and willingness to seek alternate pathways. However you link to a science article in a peer reviewed journal… that has significant problems. I would like to believe what is written is science journals, so I decided to follow the evidence. You don’t need to accept them, but am posting for others benefit.
“Peer review does not seem to be happening. Most articles in this special issue are by frequent co-authors of the current editors, or by the editors themselves. Multiple articles in this volume (a low-N ivermectin study whose conclusions misstate its results, a data-mining paper) suffer from methodological, statistical, or textual oversight that even a brief peer review would catch.”
http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2021/09/30/journal-level-fraud-elsevier-fakes-peer-review-of-covid-click-bait/
The conclusion on this particular paper you linked to are even more damning. It’s basically statistical fraud.
Dear Goshen, indeed numbers and narratives can be manipulated to serve a purpose or frame an arguement. You are right there. I appreciate your sharing of these insights. Science, to progress knowledge, delimits the natural order of things. When you drop that pursuit, you are left with philosophy – the exploration of values. In other words discussion of what constitutes a good life – where principles and ethics count towards guiding decisions. And the reason we locate ourselves here with David no less.
The evidence of these being only treatments is increasingly undeniable.
A quick Google search will detail the compromises of corporate entities involved and deliver all the grounds needed to invoke caution.
David, you are a man of exemplary character, one who moves through this world with clear principles and ethics. The life work of Su and yourself is your demonstration of this and is an incredible legacy you both leave. If we ever needed men and women with the experience and wisdom you both bestow, it is NOW! Thank-you for being a beacon of light for those of you who look to you for inspiration and guidance. Very few PERMIES in influential positions have been or would be so courageous. to do so. “Observe and interact” has never seemed so important as it does NOW. Same for small and slow solutions.
Thank you David as always so beautifully thought out and written and I’m so glad you are on the fringes with many of us ❤️
Thanks for your open and thoughtful summary David, as well as the courage to clearly articulate your position.
You have seem to have spent a good time ‘in the other’s shoes’ by imagining the thought process of those following the Mainstream Plan, which I myself relate to.
I made the personal decision to be vaccinated. For a long time I felt very unsure about a clear path because of the overwhelming amount of information coming from all sides. So if I see other people in that space I do make myself available to sort through those feelings. I took the time to watch the interview and explore the website that you referenced.
We’re all familiar with the duality of debate in public life. This difference with this issue is that the divide has formed right up the middle of my comfortable permie/community life, and I’m deeply troubled by where it seems to be going.
Your essay mentions a new world order, but what I feel strongly is that a new order is emerging in the here and now in my community and friendship groups. The most stable of relationships have begin to feel unmoored, and it doesn’t seem to be obvious how to bring the gap.
I googled ‘The Middle Way’ yesterday and found that it has a long history in buddhism as the place between attachment and aversion. I feel that this concept has a lot to offer at this moment. Its place we all have the power to explore, where we can begin to talk across the divide.
And to my mind, there’s nothing we need more right now.
Thank you for writing this. I have come to many of the same conclusions. I was recently pushed out of my position as teaching staff, for the Women’s Permaculture Guild ONLINE PDC, by the main organizer, for choosing not to vaccinate. She claimed it made me anti science, which doesn’t fit with permaculture! She also claimed most of the students wouldn’t want science deniers as instructors. I find myself in a strange new world, at the end of pointing fingers, belonging to those, I once stood side by side with.
It is very sad to hear about your experience, Jen. Please stay strong and don’t loose your optimism I’m very thankful for Davids Artcle, because he is sketching a way to communicate, in search for a peaceful solution. Here in Germany the split in the permaculture community is getting worse, and the chance for an open debate is getting smaller every day. We never had a discussion between Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Drosten, in spite of the fact, that in 2009/2010 when there was the so-called called “Swine flu” these two scientists faced each other once before. Why? And of course we all see the TV pictures from Australia with great concern, plastic bullets, and politicians who recommend that you better do not speak to your Neighbor. Is there any chance that democray and humanity will be preserved?
Thank you David for outlining the whole picture I am most grateful for your insight and stance.
Be Happy
Janine
As a person of Jewish decent I applaud your analogy to the holocaust – the only other reference we have for this kind of of collective psychotic break.
Hi Ben, I don’t mean to undermine the suffering of the Holocaust, but the communist regimes of Stalin and Mao are also pertinent analogies. Cheers
Hi David…
I was directed to your statement about your choice to avoid the Covid vaccine by a long-time permaculture practitioner. He alerted me because he found your position on vaccination to be depressing. He asked to remain anonymous.
I, too, was surprised by it. You are of course free to make your own decisions about being vaccinated, however there are consequences in making your decision public. I am not arguing against going public. You, like me, are a blogger and we make public statements in the course of our work which, sometimes, people take exception to. That comes with the territory, as the saying goes. As a public intellectual you would anticipate discussion about what you say, and sometimes disagreement and argument. That, too, comes with the territory of being a public intellectual.
Here’s are my thoughts on what you say about vaccination and associated topics expressed in your article:
THE RISKS OF INFLUENCE
Your position as what Terry Leahy in his recent book, ‘The Politics of Permaculture’, calls the “charismatic authority” in the social movement and practice around permaculture provides an authoritative speaking position from which to influence people. It allows you to wield a lot of intellectual power over the way people in the social movement around permaculture think. Your voice is dominant within permaculture, as would be expected being one of its creators, and your ideas usually go unchallenged and frequently unquestioned.
This makes whatever you say very influential. It opens the potential for permaculture people to take your personal position on vaccination as a model for themselves. It could validate the decision of those who are undecided about being vaccinated to decide against it, with the potential impact of doing that not only on their own health but that of those, especially others who are unvaccinated, with whom they come in contact.
WHAT COMES FIRST—PERSONAL OR SOCIAL?
John Donne wrote that “No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.” That suggests that personal practices and attitudes exist within the wider society in which permaculture is embedded and participates, and influences and is influenced by it.
As an exemplar for permaculture practice and thinking, I wonder if your choice to avoid the vaccine, unless a more contagious variant appears, sends the most socially responsible message? It appears to place the personal above social wellbeing and carries hints of a right-libertarian attitude. A fair number of permaculture people have commented in the socials that vaccination demonstrates social solidarity in dealing with a threat. They say it is a model for dealing with a worsening impact of global heating.
FALSE DIVISION
My reading of your article leaves me with the notion that you classify those accepting vaccination as being part of the social mainstream while those avoiding or opposed to vaccination as being a dissident edge.
If I read this right, I think it profoundly wrong. Many who choose vaccination are the same people who are critical of elements in mainstream society like governmental overreach and corporate misdoing. They are the people working on everyday solutions to global heating and pressuring government and business to act on ameliorating its advance. They are the people searching for a better political economy. They are fellow-permaculture practitioners. As such, they take cognisance of climate science and are intelligent enough to make the distinction between the corporate thrust of the pharmaceutical and other industries and the science they make use of. So it is natural that they listen to epidemiologists and others who study disease and to the scientific consensus around the pandemic. What they do not do is cherry-pick the science they want to believe. If they follow the science of climate change it is only logical to follow the understandings of medical science.
The people I talk about also include many who identify with the Left, which places them in the paradoxical position of supporting governments they do not otherwise support in their push to immunise the public while remaining critical of elements of the government programs.
THE RISK OF CO-OPTION
In the ideological battle all-too-evident around the virus and government and personal responses to it, there is the risk of your personal attitude to vaccination being co-opted by anti-vaxxers within permaculture and within the wider society to strengthen their arguments. That would further widen existing divisions.
As a politically-astute observer with knowledge of radical politics, you too will have seen evidence of the presence of the extreme right in fermenting conflict on the streets and in online space. It is a tactic within their strategy of ‘accelerationism’, which is intended to create social conflict and political instability to hasten the collapse of our liberal democratic system and enable the imposition of their authoritarian polity. A few in permaculture have reposted their propaganda during the pandemic, however there remains the risk that they will co-opt what you write.
CARE OR PEOPLE?
The peoplecare ethic remains strong in permaculture although it is probably the most-disregarded of the three ethics.
Reading social media comments about vaccination as well as your blog post, the attitude that vaccination demonstrates the care of people ethic in action appears to be strong as well as a personal act of social responsibility and social solidarity.
FEEDING SCIENCE DENIAL?
As you well-know, for a long time there has been a tussle within the permaculture movement between between scientific credibility and pseudo-science. Is there a risk that in personally declining vaccination and publicly saying so, it can be taken as science-denialism or supportive of that attitude?
IS THIS PERMACULTURE’S FIRST BIG SPLIT?
You express the thought that psychosocial issues around the pandemic, government action and personal attitude could fracture permaculture as a social movement and practice.
I remember the divergence of opinion and mini-controversy over the weeds issue in the 1990s that you mention. That, however, is small cheese compared to the ideological spilt evident over the pandemic, vaccination and lockdowns. The difference, I think, is because weeds are not an existential threat. The Delta variant is, especially for those in vulnerable age groups (me too), those with preexisting medical conditions which the virus could worsen, and those unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons.
Social movements fracture because intellectual, tactical and political trends within them create stresses greater than the existing movement can withstand. Factionalism is often a result, or people vote with their feet and leave the movements. The global pandemic and local responses to it, mixed with ideological, political and social attitudes has produced stresses within permaculture of a severity and of a potential polarising nature that it has not experienced before.
Will we see a spilt in the movement? There is certainly polarisation over issues around the pandemic and, probably, a loss of trust among practitioners, but I don’t think permaculture will fracture. It has cracked, however. The question is whether we can pave over those cracks over time or whether the issue has exacerbated existing as well as new social, political and ideological attitudes and beliefs within the movement that are now on opposite sides of an unbridgeable gap.
Extremely well put Russ – you have articulated much I have been mulling and feeling upset over this past week.
Totally agreed Russ. I’m writing a substantial amount, and hope to share that somewhere shortly. It is somewhat perplexing that while David writes so eloquently about Future Scenarios (I find myself in agreement with pretty-much all of it), yet he has somehow failed to communicate (or glossed over) the realities of Covid-19, although it’s a relief that he doesn’t go ‘all-in’ on the conspiracy, and David does tend to acknowledge that without Vaccines:
“the psychosocial shock from a pandemic could be enough to create social, economic and political chaos on a historically unprecedented scale”.
Further, he says:
“This is especially where permies take the risks of being the unvaccinated guinea pigs, who can at least be a control group in this grand experiment on the human family”.
I can see this point of view. It’s actually quite a reasonable one, as long as people are aware of the consequences.
– The idea that healthy permaculture minded individuals will not be effected by the virus is unproven, there is very little data on this yet (hence being guinea pigs).
– Those who are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons are unfortunate casualties of this approach, but too bad for them, they’re not going to survive the bottleneck anyway.
– The more ‘hold-outs’ in the general (unhealthy?) population, the more strain on health services, and the longer we’ll be in lockdowns and have the very restrictions imposed that just about everyone wants to see gone.
To sum up quickly – That the restrictions / contact tracing is part of some permanent move by the authorities to track and restrict our personal freedoms is a great assumption. It can’t be discounted either; but in a few years I don’t think we’ll be wearing masks and checking in anywhere. Call me crazy.
“…the restrictions /contact tracing is part of some permanent move by the authorities to track and restrict our personal freedoms is a great assumption.”
It sure is. Given the record of government, people can be excused for suspecting this is the agenda. But, we have to ask why government would bother to do this and what the intent would be. Were this to be found to be the reality and practices introduced during the pandemic continued after the pandemic subsides, we would likely see a large public campaign against the government. Such comments are common and come from a conspiratorial mindset. While we should continue to be cognisant of the risk we should not assume it is the case without a lot of verifiable evidence.
I think the reality is that our society has not faced something like this virus for a century and more, and that was in a time far different from now. That explains why government reaches for what looks like the most practical means of slowing the spread of the virus. It also explains why some of the things they try might not work.
We should always distrust government, of course. Just look at its record. We might, however, st times support what they try to do in general. The attitude that sees a conspiracy to control people in government actions is closely associated with the Right-libertarianism common in the US, and libertarianism is far from a stranger in permaculture.
So is the mindset that claims media censorship. Are they talking about Facebook’s removing anti-vaxx and similar posts? Is that censorship or simply removing posts that spread disinformation and risk the health of people? Is doing so a social responsibility? Is it simply an example of corrective feedback being applied by the system we know as society?
I’ve followed media coverage of the pandemic and find that all viewpoints have been covered (News Ltd excepted).
Goshen, I think you arr absolutely right. In a few years it will not be necessary to wear a mask or to show your proof of vaccination anymore. Because advanced technology will allow us to live in smart cities. We will own nothing and we will be fine with microships implanted, and with “Starlink” Satelites above us. That makes so much easier! And of course there will be a permaculture app for free! You will be allowed to download it directly to your brain from Amazon for free, and to take part in a very fascinating augmened reality. The requuirement could be, that your social score is OK and you did not spoke to your neighbor or spread misinformation. But this should not be a problem at all! I am looking forward to this great future, and it is not a question, that mankind has wisely chosen to open this “small window of opportunity” for a great reset.-
Russ, what an elegant summary of the fractures appearing in permaculture. Did you expect anything else? An agenda of disconnect plagues society…now as transhumanism.
What plagues me is how natural immunity has essentially been “hacked” to produce these treatments. And still no credit to natural immunity?
Until the end of 2019 I used to think, that most people in the permaculture community would agree, that Genetically Modified Organisms are not a good Idea, and I got the impression, that “genetic engineering” was viewed with a lot of skepticism. Fortunateley, professional public relations has managed to chance this, and today we can trust science. To me it seems, that the Word Economic Forum is offering us a lot of fascinating, advanced Permaculture Ideas today. Is’nt it wonderful that we can trust mRNA vaccines and Big Pharma now? And that selfless, hard working philantropists are helping us to fight the desease? The idea that big “C” has a fatality rate which comes close to ta regular flu, has to be, of course, “pseudo science”. Oh, how much I love “peer reviewed studies”, my digital “C…Pass” and the great concept of transhumanism! Have a nice day!
Well said.
@ Russ G. ( “Is there a risk that in personally declining vaccination and publicly saying so, it can be taken as science-denialism or supportive of that attitude?”) Dear Russ, personally I don’t think that David’s Article adds tor adresses that risk. But I think your legitimate question could be a great topic for any sophisticated discussion on television. I personally, don’t have a TV and I think mass media is dangerous and insidious, but this is only my personal decision. May I ask a question, too? Is it true that Masanobu Fukuoka’s philosophy assumes that most of the world’s problems arise because of human interventions into nature? And how does this point of view fits with modern mRNA and Nano-Technology? I just read an article which said: “Fukuoka is particularly sceptical of the value of scientific knowledge as a guide for agriculture. He argues that science is incapable of understanding nature, as it works with linear relationships and abstracted variables”. Could it be, that there is a highly irresponsible risk of wisdom in Masanobu Fukuokas Words, if not to say “science denialism”? Please don’t get me wrong. I am extremely happy that permaculture is finally becoming science-oriented. It is about time to finally replace our old fashioned humus toilets with a modern water closets, and to trust modern crop science. Its time to end the spread of misinformation about “self reliance”, “seed saving”, “living without money” and no dig gardening. Where is my permaculture bread made from “wheat with a mixture of chromosomes from different plants”? Cheerio!
I would like to know on the basis of what evidence you base your assertion that:
“Effective treatment protocols for Covid-19 exist and if those are implemented early in the disease, then hospitalisation and deaths can be greatly reduced, as achieved in some countries that faced severe impacts (especially Mexico and India).”
I have lived in India and am still in close contact with friends there. I have also been assiduously following every output by three of India’s finest independent investigative journalists – Bharka Dutt (Mojo Story); Karan Thapar (The Wire); and Shekhar Gupta (The Print) – all of whom have spent the past 18 months interviewing, investigating, reporting, and doing all they can to establish the realities of India’s experience with the pandemic. They are highly talented, intelligent individuals with a lot of integrity and I have much respect for their work – which does not mean I view them uncritically, by any means. I can honestly say, that after watching 18 months of their work, I have not seen one shred of evidence for what you describe – quite the contrary. The Indian government has consistently underplayed the extent of the crisis and sought to hide the true extent of the deaths from covid. The treatments indiscriminately prescribed to patients have caused much financial hardship and stress as prices soared and families bankrupted themselves trying to get hold of them. The vast majority of people will anyway recover from covid without any treatment, but thousands of Indians have lost their lives or part of their faces to the mucormycosis that resulted from an overuse of steroids (dexamethasone primarily). I know people who lost relatives to covid who were healthy and in their thirties – this disease is not as harmless as you are painting it, and I find your characterisation of it as such as an insult. There is something almost imperialist in the way you casually sum up the experiences of 1.3 billion people in one half sentence: “hospitalisation and deaths can be greatly reduced, as achieved in some countries that faced severe impacts (especially Mexico and India).” – marshalling an incredibly complex reality into one disturbingly simplified pseudo fact to back up your position (which I otherwise have much sympathy with).
So, my question is, please be very specific about detailing the evidence to back up your assertion. Because if it is based on inaccurate data (such as that produced by the government, for example), and the reality is more complex and involves the recognition that there are no really effective treatments for covid and that it is a very dangerous disease that adversely affects significant numbers of people, then your argument is somewhat undermined. My niece has worked in ICU through the pandemic, treating covid patients, and, yes, they have got better at treating it, but they are seeing younger and younger people in there, many who are then left with long covid, and she is depressed at seeing people in their forties and fifties, who are otherwise healthy, die of covid. At the moment, she says the only vaccinated ones they see are those who have had Astrazeneca (known as Covishield in India) – the Pfizer and Moderna, sadly, seem to be doing a much better job of protecting people against severe outcomes. But at least she is not now dealing with witnessing 3-4 deaths every day, as she was before the vaccination programme started. I also know previously young healthy people whose lives are currently ruined by the effects of long covid. You breeze over all this, basing your idea that it is not a dangerous disease with an assertion about India and Mexico, so, once again, this is very important and you are a person of great influence, so please elaborate on the research you have done into India’s experience of the covid pandemic. I will be genuinely interested to read it.
Dear Rachel, thank-you for your insights. A local business owner is from a town in the south and all his family are there. His first hand account was that Covid had killed no-one in his town of 15,000. Homes were door knocked and elderly, including his parents threatened they would never travel again if they didn’t get the shot. Two people in the town died within 4 days of it…
Roxanne is this story about a person ‘in the south’ meant to be to be accepted as statistical evidence for something? Should we all share our stories? Here’s mine – I only know of two people in my family who have caught covid. Both are men in their 40’s, living in Haarlem, Netherlands. Both were hospitalised, one recovered, the other died (leaving behind a wife and two children).
Hello David and thanks for this article. I completely agree with your position, and have been trying to have this conversation on my page since the beginning of the pandemic. The doctors of the FLCCC are heros, as is Dr Tess Lawrie of the BiRD group in the UK.
NZ has just brought in the first vaccine mandates, and a wave of trauma with them for many people about to be forced to take a medical treatment they reject or forced out of their jobs. Our eldest (a hospital administrator) has already been forced to take it against her will. The rest of our family will not be vaccinated, no matter the pressure applied. We expect to be excluded from society. This will be very hard on our very sociable 12 year old, who may eventually end up being excluded from school, but the risk of this vaccine, especially for children, is simply too high.
This is response is yet another attempt to force scaling up towards extreme centralisation and control. I expect it to involve elites seizing control of the remaining resources for their own purposes, largely dispossessing the rest. A totalitarian phase would only last as long as the remaining energy supply continues to allow the projection of power at a distance, and I don’t expect that condition to be satisfied for very long. Militarism and totalitarian control are very energy intensive. It’s sad that humans seem likely to waste the remaining high EROEI energy sources on warfare and cruelty, but this is what the psychology of contraction renders most likely.
Permaculture is as essential as ever. I very much hope the movement doesn’t fracture under the current pressure to comply with and conform to a very dangerous agenda.
Nicole
Nicole! Thank you for your comment!
What’s happened to Steve Keen on this matter. He’s a number man. Why isn’t he doing the numbers on this?
It is precisely in countries such as India where they have not had access to for profit patented leaky gene therapy vaccines that early treatment has been most effectively used.
Thank-you Andrea, these are conversation’s, the oral tradition mostly restricted now in Australia where lockdowns, masking, censorship and a media that do not air anything but derogation of questioning is the new normal.
I have been a Paramedic in California during the pandemic. I mostly have stayed sane by practicing permaculture at my one acre farm. I have a perspective that often clashes with some of my permaculture friends. I have found that mostly this comes down to a lack of perspective between discerning realities and perspectives. What has served me most during this time is being open to understanding why people have different opinions but also to give people some basic reality feedback while staying open to their personal struggles. I think what David is getting at with this piece is that what’s most important is to treat people with dignity and respect no matter where they land. Being that I have been exposed to COVID 100’s of times on an ambulance, got sick from COVID, and have witnessed the first hand devastation of families, colleagues and friends as a matter of showing up to work I have a unique position. But this doesn’t make my opinion omnipotent or all-knowing. And it’s important for me to keep that in mind. I appreciate David’s perspective but I have a different one.
I’ll try to give an honest account.
I ask every symptomatic covid patient on the ambulance if they’ve been vaccinated. At least 95 % percent of them say no. I have not encountered anyone that is vaccinated that has died from covid and none of my colleagues have either. I can’t deny this fact. It informs my daily reality and it is why when asked I tell people to get vaccinated. Also vaccine injury is an insanely rare on the ambulance. You might get one call in your career for a vaccine reaction and it’s typically a mild allergic reaction. Compared to the fact that during this latest surge we’ve had some days on the ambulance where 90 percent of the patients have covid and were seeing lots of horribly sad situations where a father or mother will die of covid at home and their children have to call 911. The surviving family is often very confused because they thought covid was the flu or something to this effect. Over time these scenarios start to physically and mentally grind on you and you start to feel like cannon fodder. The hours are long and unforgiving. I feel like a broken record. I, like many healthcare workers are coming to the conclusion that we didn’t sign up for this. Many colleagues are falling apart or simply leaving forever.
Saying all that I understand why people don’t get vaccinated. Especially in the context of living on a permaculture homestead that is largely a fuck you to the present system. If I wasn’t a paramedic I probably wouldn’t get vaccinated and I probably would not take covid very seriously. But I do have some advice for those folks that want to let covid run it’s course without intervention. If the system collapses and you have to deal with covid without the first world niceties provided by medical advancement like oxygen, steroids, antibiotics etc. You might find a very formidable foe in COVID. People largely forget that if you have no access to basic medical care that something like an infectious disease can destroy you a lot easier. Most if not all of the people that have survived hospitalization during this current pandemic would have died of pneumonia, multi-system organ failure etc and I highly doubt we would be having a conversation about taking covid seriously. Saying all that I support the conviction of permies that want to ride it out. A lot of my permie friends are living there best life and they deserve respect for their convictions. It’s a hard world to navigate right now and I hope the best for everyone.
Peace,
Abraham
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Thank you Abraham. You offer an open and respectful perspective. I hear what you are saying.
Thank you Abraham. Your perspective certainly has weight considering your experience. I am curious what your views might be regarding the efficacy of early treatment protocols and other protective factors people may employ with or without vaccination.
Thank you for this brave stance and timely words. The ramifications of lockdowns and tyranny may already be unstoppable. A group of citizens in the county next to me just sent the sheriff a letter telling him they are no longer paying taxes nor allowing police to operate in their area. People are on the cusp of going to war for their civil liberties, and it’s going to be very, very ugly if people don’t stop lending their implicit support to forced medical procedures.
I am not interested in naming individuals and calling them out for their personal perspectives. As far as I’m. Once renew this is One voice with different personalities attached even if they seem ‘split’. Someone wanted some backed up source about measures using a different model in India? Here is the Kerala Model…..https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.732523/full
I applaud this open and respectful (for the most part-sarcasms aside). Thank you to many brilliance’s that come through this discussion and thank heavens that it can even be had at all! I think that’s the main point.
Sorry about some typos which seem confusing. No matter, just posting to give this valuable link. I’m not great at this technology. 🙃
Thank you, Om Shanti, don’t worry about the typos 😉 Ayurveda is finally becoming science based, is’nt it wonderful? And in these difficult times, Ayurveda is definitely part of the lifestyle, even among the elites, Klaus Schwab and his colleagues. I agree with your conclusion (“thank you to many brilliance’s that come through this discussion and thank heavens that it can even be had at all! I think that’s the main point.” And I see parallels to the garden. Everything contributes 😉 I am thankful for Davids Article and I wish that it will help, to make more people think for themselves and to speak out freely about their concerns and opinions . Unfurtunately we don’t know what Bill Mollison would say today.. But there are so many wonderful words, he is supposed to have said, and which still hit the nail on the head:.: ” “A really failing society has a lot of rules (or laws).”, “Sitting at our back doorsteps, all we need to live a good life lies about us. Sun, wind, people, buildings, stones, sea, birds and plants surround us. Cooperation with all these things brings harmony, opposition to them brings disaster and chaos.”“ And, of course: “Though the problems of the world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain embarrassingly simple.” … Namaste! 😉
We all have perspectives. To me, it seems David has spent his life looking at the bigger picture, and how to address and pre-address issues and solutions that may arise from what he can see.
I find it quite dumbfounding that some commenters can’t separate themselves from their thoughts and fears, and go so far as to attack someone on their own webspace elucidating a non judgemental point of view, because the views and questions being presented threaten their own ideas.
Hat off to those of you who have made a choice of your own accord after doing due dilligence, and had, or didnt have, the shots, yet realise others may make a different decision to you, and respecting that autonomy.
To be honest, i was quite shocked when i was told that alot of the big Permaculture teachers took the shots and are advising others to take them. I just didnt expect it. But I realise now that its because i have always seen Permaculture as a means and practice of moving away from the System. And i see these specific injections, and the mandating thereof, as the very epitomy of the System.
So, for those of us who arnt going with it, lets get to work and build social, edible, and spiritual resilience in the face of all the polarising, fear mongering and uncertainty. Lets see how self and community sufficient we can be. This may turn out to be a fast-forwarding Blessing.
A gulp of air whilst drowning in the depressive onslaught of fear mongering and segregation – thank you David, we really needed to hear that we’re not alone.
Hi,
I’m vaccinated. I don’t agree with a few points you make here but thanks for putting this together. Thanks for being respectful. I know that the unvaccinated have absolutely copped it for making that choice. It must be awful and I reckon its totally unacceptable. I’m sorry for what you have experienced. Unfortunately I have also seen the unvaccinated be hostile and derogatory to those who chose to be vaccinated implying people are mindless fools following “big pharma” and the “mainstream media” Enter terms like “sheeples” etc. That stuff is really unhelpful too. This is a really complex issue and there are really intelligent, well meaning people doing their upmost to make the right decision. If people want others to respect their decisions, surely its incumbent on them to afford others respect for theirs?
Thanks for your respectful comment. I agree demonisation from either side is not helpful. However for the unvaccinated and those forced to take the jab (to keep their jobs or families together for example) the problem of name calling by others would have been a relatively minor problem if it was not reinforced by all the media, corporations, public institutions and governments at all levels using their power to enforce sanctions, that in many cases went beyond that given to criminals. And now, after having achieved one of the highest rates of vaccination in the world, by any measure it should now have been accepted that throwing away long established pandemic management principles in favour of a globally novel response was a complete failure. With unprecedented and growing adverse side effects, calling it a disaster would be generous. Instead we have a general interpretation that the whole show saved us from much worse. I realise there is massive confirmation bias operating in the heads of very intelligent and ethical folks on both sides of the divide. The trouble is that collective censorship and threats of loss of livelihood means public discussion or debate between experts is not allowed because the situation is too dangerous to allow the public to come to the “wrong” conclusions!! For the sake of harmony up until now I have let my writing sit as a record of a position at a particular point in time without further comment or replies. With a lessening of the climate of fear, I would now like to appeal to everyone that, whatever your position of the vax and lockdowns, when the next curved ball or meteorite comes over the horizon at us, and we all run in different directions and shelter in different places, we will all actively resist the demonisation of those who don’t follow whatever the authorities insist in the answer. I think more curved balls and meteorites will be arriving soon and it doesn’t matter whether we interpret them as from the World Economic Forum cabal , Mother Nature or God, let’s accept that we don’t know what is the right course of action. In that context we should tolerate, respect and celebrate a diversity of responses rather than an enforced monoculture of one big solution, especially if it just happens to help the disaster capitalists at the expense of everyone else.
Thanks for your response, David. I think the thing that has challenged me the most in this whole shit show is that there can be profiting from the fear or capitalising from the disaster from all quarters. And I mean that respectfully. But, I agree, a diversity of responses seems to make much more sense than one big one. This seems to be true for most things. Thank you.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend Dan too. I never met him but I know others who knew him well. Tragic loss.